Working back from these notes, could you grok the story?

Here’s the current endnotes from the Vietnam chapter — including interviews with folks who have since died. Wondering if they make a narrative of themselves.

Alexa Gagosz, “MIT Professor Noam Chomsky, Vietnam resistors tell their stories.” Suffolk Journal, April 15, 2010.

United States v. Seeger, 380 U.S. 163 (1965)

Lawrence Baskir and William Strauss,   Chance and Circumstance: The Draft, the War, and the Vietnam Generation (Random House, 1978).GU_Library_Piles_of_Books_on_the_floor

Ron Kovic, Born on the Fourth of July (McGraw-Hill, 1976)  p.83.


Personal interview, Philadelphia, January 30, 2009.

William Short and Willa Seidenberg, A Matter of Conscience (Addison Gallery Press, 1991).

Telephone interview, January 6, 2009.

Margaret Butler, who served 1967-1969, In Memories of Navy Nursing: The Vietnam Era (Maryanne Gallagher Ibach, Ed). Material developed for the Vietnam Women’s Memorial, Washington, D.C.

“The military used all of the [TV] footage at my court martial — evidence I really was guilty. “Short and Seidenberg, Matter of Conscience.

“You Want a Real War Hero?” Vietnam GI, August 1969.

Vietnam GI, August 1968.

Leslie Gelb et al, “U.S. Ground Strategy and Force Deployments, 1965-1968.” Volume Four, The Pentagon Papers.

N. L. Zaroulis and Gerald Sullivan, Who Spoke Up? American Protest Against the War in Vietnam, 1963-1975 (Doubleday, 1984), p. 70.

Moser, The New Winter Soldiers: GI and Veteran Dissent During the Vietnam Era (Rutgers University Press, 1996), p.82.

The Oak’s prose would not have been out of place in the AVC Bulletin, the newspaper of the starry-eyed  New Dealers of the 1945 American Veterans Committee. “We at Oak Knoll feel it imperative that other members of the armed forces and civilians become aware of dissent within the military. Therefore, we decided to promulgate our views, situations, conditions through this newspaper.”

Short and Seidenberg.

       The Ally (Berkeley), August 19, 1968.

Andrew Hunt, The Turning: a History of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (NYU Press, 1990), p.30

Jack Hurst, “Viet Mother Warns GI – And Dies.”

William Perry, Testimony, Winter Soldier Hearings, February 1971

Interview, January 30, 2009.

From 1962 to 1971, the United States dumped nineteen million gallons of herbicides over Vietnam, destroying nearly five million acres of countryside as part of its defoliation campaign to deny enemy combatants protective cover.

The Old Mole, June 20-July 3, 1969, p. 2.

Bill Perry. Facebook photo caption, September 7, 2015.

William Sloane Coffin, Once to Every Man: A Memoir ( Athenaeum, 1977), p. 299.

The Moratorium event in England was at a safe-house for deserters.  run by an American World War II veteran named Clancy Sigal, at Number 56 Queen Anne Street. In Europe,  “there was a feeling that the Vietnam war was somehow a fascist war, and that anything to help American soldiers resist that war was good,” Sigal told me.  The overcrowded apartment was “a wonderful mix of AWOL soldiers, their girlfriends, and some lost souls,” he wrote years later for the London Review of Books. “Simply put, my new job was to smuggle American deserters in and out of the United Kingdom, help arrange false papers, find safe houses in the UK, ‘babysit’ our less stable ‘packages’ (AWOLs in transit), personally accompany those too shaky to travel alone.” By the end of 1968, the project had evolved “a classically English accommodation with the various secret services who kept tabs on us at one time or another.”

Elizabeth Kolbert et al, “Moratorium.” The New Yorker, October 25, 1969, p. 54.


Seymour Hersh, “Lieutenant Accused of Murdering 109 Civilians.” St. Louis Post-Dispatch, November 13, 1969, p. A1.

“I got to like [McCarthy] a lot…He opposed the war, and he said as much.” Landau, Saul, “Seymour Hersh.” The Progressive, May 1998. Via The Free Library (October 1)(accessed March 07, 2009)

Testimony at the court martial of William Calley, 1971. Accessed via the University of Missouri:

Via Kendrick Oliver, The My Lai massacre in American history and memory (Manchester University Press, 2006), p. 47.

Seymour Hersh, “Ex-GI Tells of Killing Civilians at Pinkville.”

Duncan, op. cit.

Interview, Boston, MA, March 2007.

Charles C. Moskos and John Whiteclay Chambers, The New Conscientious Objection: From Sacred to Secular Resistance (Oxford University Press US, 1993), p. 43.

“GI Justice in Vietnam: An interview with the Lawyers Military Defense Committee.” Yale Review of Law and Social Action (2:1) Article 3 (1972) Yale Review of Law and Social Action, Vol. 2 [1972], Is. 1, Art.

Moser, p.107.

Quoted in Jean-Jacques Maurier (ed.), The Last Time I Dreamed About the War: Essays on the Life and Writing of W.D. Ehrhart (McFarland, 2014).

Stephen Pogust, “G.I. March is ‘Disgusting’ to N.J. Town.” Philadelphia Inquirer, Sept. 4, 1970.

FBI files,  Via Gerald Nicosia, “Veteran in Conflict.” LA Times, May 23, 2004. Accessed 12/2008 at,0,3459649,full.story.

Van Devanter, Home Before Morning: The Story of an Army Nurse in Vietnam (University Massachusetts Press), p. 231.

Anthony B. Herbert.

Telephone interview, February 2009.

“ANTI WAR GROUP HEARS OF ‘CRIMES.’ “New York Times (1857-Current file); Dec 2, 1970; ProQuest Historical Newspapers The New York Times (1851 – 2005), pg. 15.

Winter Soldier Testimony, read into Cong. Record. : “[soldiers] stabbed her in both breasts, spread-eagled her and shoved an E-tool up her vagina, an entrenching tool, and she was still asking for water.”


David Halbfinger, “Kerry’s Antiwar Past Is a Delicate Issue in His Campaign.” The New York Times, April 24, 2004.

Michael Kranish, Brian C. Mooney, Nina Easton, John F. Kerry: the complete biography by the Boston Globe reporters who know him best (Public Affairs, 2004). pp. 120-121 The sight of a clean-cut lieutenant speaking so, flanked by two nodding generals, put Kerry higher up on the commander-in-chief’s enemies list, with Nixon aides “expressing exasperation that more wasn’t being done to undermine Kerry and the other VVAW organizers.”

Michael Kranish et al, “With antiwar role, high visibility” Boston Globe, June 16. 2003.

“A thousand drug addicts camping out,” Bill Perry chuckled when asked what that week was like. “Honestly, there were maybe 200 guys really driving it politically — and a lot of them were drama queens, if you know what I mean. The rest of us……” Perry may have been at least partially right in his assessment, at least if the veterans’ drug use were anywhere near that of the troops they had been.  Even something as relatively gentle as marijuana might spread a haze over memories of the camp veterans set up on the Mall, cheered by sympathetic legislators from Bella Abzug to George McGovern and Edward Kennedy.


Robert Heinl, “The Collapse of the Armed Forces.” Armed Forces Journal, June 7, 1971. Accessed via reprint from Prof. Grover Furr, Montclair State University, Montclair, N.J.

For more on that predecessor, see Adolph Reed, “Fayettenam:1969 Tales from a G.I. Coffeehouse.” Originally in CCCO’s magazine The Objector in 1996, now included in Class notes : posing as politics and other thoughts on the American scene (New York: New Press, 2000)

Steve Hassna, “VVAW History: San Francisco Vets Day Parade 1972.” The Veteran, Spring 1997.

Memo July 1974, VVAW FBI Files, Swarthmore College Peace Collection.

Personal interview, August 7, 2009.


VVAW mag The Veteran. (That Arkansas VVAW member turned FBI informant who’d sparked the Gainesville trial was forgiven in later years because of his illness; he even had pasted to the wall of his office. “PVS Kills.”)


Ron Kovic, interview by Waldo Salt, November 8, 1974, transcript, Waldo Salt Papers, Research Library, University of California Los Angeles. Via Jerry Lembcke,From Oral History to Movie Script: The Vietnam Veteran Interviews for ‘Coming Home’.” The Oral History Review, 26: 2 (Summer – Autumn, 1999), p. 76. Accessed via



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